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Shameless Avenger Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 190	Posted - 2012.07.12 10:25:00 - [1] - Quote Marconus Orion wrote: ...PvP... ...barriers?... ...high sec... Well, the barriers are many. For the most people, Kisumii had it right: Kisumii wrote: ...dont understand the mechanics... ...afraid of "doing it wrong"... And some might say, that's easy to fix. RTFM, learn, keep trying, read, etc. But sometimes people don't have the time for that. People have jobs, some go to school, some have families and some play other games. So I'm gonna add a barrier here: * The Time Barrier: No time to learn how to PVP.
Shameless Avenger Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 190	Posted - 2012.07.12 10:43:00 - [2] - Quote Akirei Scytale wrote: I log in about once a week for a couple hours, and often don't log in for 3-4 weeks at a time. ... Is not just login time Akirei. EvEmon time, Forum Time, evefit time, dotland time, singularity time, etc. You can't just login, strap whatever modules you have in hangar and go fight. You need to do your homework. And that takes more time than a casual player has.
Shameless Avenger Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 191	Posted - 2012.07.12 11:05:00 - [3] - Quote Halete wrote: ....standard bait comments detected.... "Sure... just shoot. What's the worst that can happen? I'm in a merlin you silly carebear." And the when the carebear bites the bait: Option one: Remote repair alt starts repairing merlin. Option two: Merlin pilot warps out, changes into hurricane. It is not as easy as undock and start shooting. Don't be silly. You have to do your homework.
Shameless Avenger Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 191	Posted - 2012.07.12 11:29:00 - [4] - Quote Halete wrote: Shameless Avenger wrote: ... This so hilariously wrong and full of assumptions. I've never baited or used neutral reps. Nor have I ever used the term 'you silly carebear'. I'm actually pro-bear. If you want to play that way that's cool by me. But this kind of attitude knocks my respect for 'bears down several pegs, to be honest. Halete, I believe we are talking about different things. The thread is about Hi-Sec PVP afaik. There's only a small bunch of methods that can be used to get a High-Sec fight without having one side being concordokken. If you don't can-flip, bait. gank or ninja-loot then you must be in low-sec..... checks killboards Yup... you are in low sec. different things.
Shameless Avenger Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 191	Posted - 2012.07.12 11:40:00 - [5] - Quote Mizhir wrote: Shameless Avenger wrote: The thread is about Hi-Sec PVP afaik. Who says that? The OP did on post #1: Marconus Orion wrote: This question is directed at players who choose not to PvP. I am very curious as to what barriers, if any, keep you from PvPing? *Granted there are some players who live in unknown space, low sec and null sec who still avoid PvP, the question is more directed at high sec players.* So please keep the post constructive and honest guys. If you do PvP, then please don't go crazy in here with posts of 'You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject. Thanks. Again: Marconus Orion wrote: *Granted there are some players who live in unknown space, low sec and null sec who still avoid PvP, the question is more directed at high sec players.* ...one more time: Marconus Orion wrote: --->directed at high sec players<---.
Shameless Avenger Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 192	Posted - 2012.07.12 11:46:00 - [6] - Quote Halete wrote: Shameless Avenger wrote: ... You repeated that a hell of a lot of times to miss the point. Well I guess 'Shameless' is accurate. Anyway, enjoy playing your way. Sorry... didn't meant to sound like a smarty-arse. I kinda over did it, my bad.
Shameless Avenger Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 192	Posted - 2012.07.12 12:00:00 - [7] - Quote Mizhir wrote: Obviously you don't understand it yourself. So dont try to mock me that way. He says high sec players not highsec PVPers. So he is talking about all the highsec carebears who just farm missions / mine / whatever all day long. Again, don't act like that, when you don't even understand it yourself. U mad bro? OP also predicted this behaviour in the 1st post: Marconus Orion wrote: --->please don't go crazy in here with posts of 'You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject.<---
Shameless Avenger Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 192	Posted - 2012.07.12 12:08:00 - [8] - Quote Halete wrote: Except they were talking about your misinterpretation of the thread, not criticizing how you play. Let's just all settle down. ;) What misinterpretation?
Shameless Avenger Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 195	Posted - 2012.07.12 12:44:00 - [9] - Quote Mizhir wrote: ...stuf... Lets analyze... a) I said that in order to PVP you need to learn stuff and it takes time. b) Somebody said "that's not true, just get out and shoot" c) I pointed out this is a common bait used by many That is not "flaming" or being "butthurt". It is what it is mate. If you are carebearing in empire and you don't have time to study the mechanics, you are better off not fighting at all. More often than not, you are going to loose. Even if you used to PVP in the past, rules change a lot and your knowledge might be out of date. Take the ship id's for example... they used to change at DT long ago. Now they are pretty much permanent. And there's not much information about it. I made a thread on the topic, but frankly, most of my answers came from doing my own testing because people just don't know what the mechanics are. Another example is the Ninja-Looter Orca Ship Swapping Trick. You ninja-loot, let the mission runner kill you, go to Orca alt, get new pvp ship, come back, kill the bear, loot his 1.5 billion faction drop.... nice. But then someday you try that trick and a message appears... you can't get new ship until agro timer goes off. Now what? Your tactic got stealth-nerfed, there's no blog, no info, no nothing. You could petition and ask for rule clarification, but often you get something like: "We haven't made that info public and giving you the answer will give you an unfair advantage". So you are back to point "a", the time. You have to start doing tests, finding a workaround to by-pass the nerfage. And if you have no time, what you do? and BTW... about the Orca stealth nerf, I wrote a funny story about it.. read it here.
Shameless Avenger Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 198	Posted - 2012.07.12 13:15:00 - [10] - Quote Mizhir wrote: Shameless Avenger wrote: Snip Snip Oh well... consensual PVP is possible. I guess I missed where the OP specified this was about consensual high-sec PVP. I thought it was about all high-sec pvp, which is mostly non-consensual.

Shameless Avenger Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 198	Posted - 2012.07.12 13:25:00 - [11] - Quote Mizhir wrote: Oh well... consensual PVP is possible. I guess I missed where the OP specified this was about consensual high-sec PVP. I thought it was about all high-sec pvp, which is mostly non-consensual. Its about general pvp. He didn't specify about any forms of pvp. But you were only talking about highsec pvp. [/quote] You are confusing me. Yes... I was talking about High-Sec PVP, the non-consensual variety. Isn't that part of general pvp?
Shameless Avenger Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 199	Posted - 2012.07.12 14:28:00 - [12] - Quote AdmiralJohn wrote: Shameless Avenger wrote: Akirei Scytale wrote: I log in about once a week for a couple hours, and often don't log in for 3-4 weeks at a time. ... Is not just login time Akirei. EvEmon time, Forum Time, evefit time, dotland time, singularity time, etc. You can't just login, strap whatever modules you have in hangar and go fight. You need to do your homework. And that takes more time than a casual player has. Your problem is that you're treating it like missioning or PvE. ...snip... Not really. Missioning & PVE do not require homework at all. Just look up your mission on EVE-Survival and voila. Preparing for non-consensual PVP is what requires homework. But since it seems we are talking about consesual PVP (RvB Style), then that's something else.

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